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Nusu's corner: Movie 8 Trunks Post-RoSaT. O_o
Topic Started: May 11 2011, 08:09 AM (7,485 Views)
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Jul 12 2011, 07:04 AM
in my opinion broly the legendary ssj is not cannon.

so i think vegeta and trunks are post rosat first rosat
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in my opinion broly the legendary ssj is not cannon.


This is a movie section, here Broli is the Legendary Super Saiyajin.

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so i think vegeta and trunks are post rosat first rosat


I understand that it is your opinion, but from where do you take such view? There is enough evidence that proves them all to be Post-RoSaT.
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Jul 11 2011, 05:03 PM
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Jul 11 2011, 02:54 PM
I agree with you, Nusu. Trunks's long hair is a definite point that he was post-RoSaT.
Indeed, it is a strong point.

I also wanna add, that Trunks being most likely ASSJ isn't necessarily a disprove to the Post-RoSaT theory. Vegeta was easily knocked out as SSJ, but Trunks? He was at least able to keep up with Son Goku and Son Gohan. So him being ASSJ may not be a mistake at all, maybe Toei even knew that Trunks was inferior to Son Goku and Son Gohan.


Not really, they could've just considered Trunks' long hair to be more aesthetically pleasing, just as they used the same hair with him in Movie 9. Notice how they didn't use Trunks' Saiyan armor as his outfit in either movies, when he was supposed to be wearing it at those times; they're basically just picking and choosing whatever they feel like. It's hardly a strong case.

Vegeta and Trunks were both drawn as 2nd Grade Super Saiyans in the movie. And out of all them, SSj Gohan was depicted as the most inferior, getting done in rather easily.
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Actually, they just gave Trunks a more common outfit because he was on a *****ing pick-nick, hardly a disprove, because Kuririn didn't had his fighting gear on neither did Muten Roshi had his original design. And Vegeta? Well, he is Vegeta du'h.

The world was at peace during that day, and they just enjoyed a nice pick-nick. There is no point giving Trunks his battle armor. And his hair was picked? That's theoretical, because something like that never happened with Trunks in a movie before.

Vegeta was not always SSJ G2, actually he went as SSJ against Broli in their second encounter. No matter how strong Son Gohan is, if the gap between him Broli is miles a part he would still get stomped similar to the others, also as far as I can remember Son Goku was his goal, the others where just in the way.
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Jul 13 2011, 07:28 AM
Actually, they just gave Trunks a more common outfit because he was on a *****ing pick-nick, hardly a disprove, because Kuririn didn't had his fighting gear on neither did Muten Roshi had his original design. And Vegeta? Well, he is Vegeta du'h.

The world was at peace during that day, and they just enjoyed a nice pick-nick. There is no point giving Trunks his battle armor. And his hair was picked? That's theoretical, because something like that never happened with Trunks in a movie before.

Vegeta was not always SSJ G2, actually he went as SSJ against Broli in their second encounter. No matter how strong Son Gohan is, if the gap between him Broli is miles a part he would still get stomped similar to the others, also as far as I can remember Son Goku was his goal, the others where just in the way.


Krillin & Roshi weren't the ones fighting in the movie, they didn't have any of their common casual outfits on either, the mere fact that they were given their own special outfits for the movie only expresses my point; their production choices are not exclusively based upon any correlation between the main story, it's whimsical. "Well, he is Vegeta du'h"... except not even Vegeta wears his Saiyan armor 24/7. Just look at during Cell's TV broadcast, while Goku & Gohan were still in the RoSaT.

Yes, they chose that hairstyle for a reason. Movie 9 clearly exemplifies this, because in the manga when he returns to the present timeline after regaining peace in his own time, we see him with short hair and Saiyan armor on. But in the movie, he's given long hair, an altered version of his most common outfit, and he even has his sword back. Why do you think they tore off the sleeves of his jacket, or replaced his mushroom cut with the longer hair, it's only done to make him look cooler, there's hardly an in-universe explanation for that.

He was 2nd Grade in his first and second transformation in the movie. There's a muscle increase when he transforms:

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But Gohan doesn't get stomped similar to the others, he takes one beating and he's done. While Goku and Trunks would only keep coming back for more.
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Super Gohan very good explanation, i was thinking how exactly to explain it last night (was tired) but i couldn't quite get the right words and you just said it perfect for me haha.

Good points about Trunks chosen hairstyle and outfit, he did have short hair when he was going back and surely didn't spend a year in the past to wait for a tournament.

Would also like to point out that Gohan was in his fighting clothes, as was Goku. So in the time of peace why would Trunks relax but Gohan and Goku wouldn't? We know very well how casually they dressed during the time of peace.

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Before I start I want to say that Super_Gohan is most likely right with the look. Please don't judge to fast and hear me out.

During day two (Which was by the way the day Son Goku and Son Gohan came out of the RoSaT) Kamicolo said that he goes into the RoSaT first and then Vegeta who claims that he goes in for eight day's, that was wrong of course since you can go only into the RoSaT for 48 hours. Anyhow, since Vegeta said that he goes in for eight days, that should indicate that Kamicolo only went into the RoSaT for one day.

Now, Kamicolo came to help in the middle of the fight against Broli. The Z-Fighters where on New Vegeta for about one day, Piccolo came out of the RoSaT during the same day Vegeta and the others went to New Vegeta. Because that was the day Vegeta was referring too, that he would go into it.

Day 1: Cell announces the tournament via TV.

Day 2: Son Goku and Son Gohan leave the RoSaT; Piccolo enters it.

Day 3: Piccolo leaves, Vegeta enters it.

Movie Version.

Day 1: Cell announces the tournament via TV.

Day 2: Son Goku and Son Gohan leave the RoSaT; Piccolo enters it.

Day 3: Z-Fighters go to New Vegeta, Piccolo leaves RoSaT.

So again my theory actually can't even work. Bummer. Lol.

But in conclusion.

Those are Post-RoSat: Son Gohan, Son Goku and Piccolo.

And Trunks and Vegeta aren't.


Now to you Super_Gohan.

Keep in mind that Son Gohan is like a puppet compared to Broli, Broli is huge and is massively stronger then Son Gohan and he is the closest thing Son Goku cares about. Frankly it is the same with Vegeta, Vegeta was easily tosses aside as well, while Trunks kept coming. Broli is more or less in my view a unpredictable person, he is a sadist with a hatred towards Son Goku, so his goal is Son Goku, and hurting Son Goku and what is more hurtful to Son Goku then seeing his own flesh and blood hanging life less.
Edited by Nusu, Jul 14 2011, 12:19 PM.
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Piccolo must've been pretty weak post-RoSaT. He lasted, what, three hits in total? Trunks survived more than that, I think.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't vegeta and trunks go first in the hyperbolic time chamber then goku and gohan?
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Jul 14 2011, 09:16 PM
Piccolo must've been pretty weak post-RoSaT. He lasted, what, three hits in total? Trunks survived more than that, I think.
Well, either they are ALL truly Post-RoSaT and the movie play's somewhere in between day 5 and day 6. Or it is day 3 or day 4, with Piccolo just coming out of the RoSaT.

But I guess, the main question here is: Is Piccolo stronger then SSJ Grade 2 Trunks?

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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't vegeta and trunks go first in the hyperbolic time chamber then goku and gohan?


Yes, they went first, but they went again when Cell announced the Cell Games.

It goes like this.

1) Piccolo - Day 2.

2) Vegeta - Day 3.

3) Trunks - Day 4.

That's how they went, so now, it is the question where Piccolo was.
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Making pyramids move. lol Anyway, @ Kami Vegeta : I don't think it was that Piccolo was weak. We consider Trunks and Vegeta to be more or less equal, with Vegeta most likely be the stronger of the two, right? But if we remember, Vegeta is defeated in one blow, whereas Piccolo took more of a beating than that. Point is, Broly clearly held back on most of them. He demonstrated he could take out any of them with oen attack if he so wished.

And just to comment, Nusu, I would probably agree that they are Post 1st RoSaT, since they were using the grade states. In my opinion, Piccolo is probably a little stronger than Trunks and Vegeta at this point.
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I think so as well.

I think Broli uses different effort, he probably knocked Son Gohan faster down because he wanted to hurt Son Goku

Vegeta was most likely knocked out faster because Broli wanted to insult Vegeta and show that even though he is the Prince of the Saiyajin, he is still a insect compared to the Legendary Super Saiyajin.
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That's why I think he OHKO'd Vegeta, even though Vegeta should logically be stronger than Trunks, who survived at least one hit.
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